OK.... I've FINALLY saved $500 someodd to get modelling software....I'm not to bright... can work with Poser 4 magnets, haven't figured out Waves yet, tired of sucking off from other's talent, can't search the archives for recommendations, need a smaller learning curve, produce object files for Poser directly, able to develop UV maps, Joint parameters are probably going to be beyond me...but willing to try, doesn't need a ton of bells and whistles, was able to create a primative figure with Poser primatives, would love to produce small/short animation sequences, everyone uses something differant...I guess based on experience (I have none), don't mind buying a simple package and then stepping up as experience improves, suck at math, want to be able to put clothes on animals.... (don't worry, cartoon animals... sheesh), industrial / mechanical gadgets / machines /processes / models for website clients, massive amounts of detail not required, haven't used Bryce in ages... but like the renders, can't use Autocad but have used Design Cad 2D and 3D extensively, can visualize in xyz coordinates easily, am a VP of Engineering but my staff thinks I'm nuts playing with Digital Barbie Dolls... and want no part in this... ( the fools ).... respect and admire everyone that is part of this forum, and believes it is time to get with it and join in the fun of producing an actual model to share with others without restrictions.... "must be Poser compatible without 2 or three conversions." Now.... any suggestions? Everyones stuff is just outstanding and I'm ready to learn...or at least try to cram something else into this getting older by the minute, brain cells dying quicker by the day, head of mine.