FranOnTheEdge opened this issue on May 01, 2005 ยท 23 posts
FranOnTheEdge posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 6:36 PM
Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=946371&Start=1&Sectionid=0&filter_genre_id=0&WhatsNe
Then I played some more and came up with this: (see pic above)
Got some water probs with the "Sacrificial Fire" and of course there's not much else in the image - any ideas?
And what about this image? I mean the "Desert Campfire" included with this message? What can I do to improve this?
Fran
Message edited on: 05/01/2005 18:37
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Lzy724 posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 7:04 PM
Hmm, how about some poser people, a horse maybe? A backpack by the fire? Maybe some more trees closer to the front...the flame looks great!!
Dann-O posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 7:11 PM
How about some ninja,s and a nun. Or a klingon battlecruiser and a tube of toothpaste. You can never go wrong with a chihuahua.
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pakled posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 7:47 PM
drop a radial light or two in the fire to give it a little glow..;) just a thought.
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CrazyDawg posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 9:21 PM
how about a tent in the background a bit with a couple of naked vickies running around.
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ysvry posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 9:25 PM
ddaydreams posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 9:32 PM
Make the scene night time. Bring the cacti in closer to let the fire glow light them a bit. Somebody perhaps warming themself by the fire or toasting something on a stick. Perhaps some moonlit hills or mountains and if possible the horses or jeep they road in on.
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shinyary2 posted Sun, 01 May 2005 at 10:47 PM
I agree with ddaydreams you should make it very very dark with the fire as the sole light source (I mean turn off sunlight and put in a radial light on the fire, naturally you would have to disable shadows for the fire mats =P). You could put some terrains as mesas in the background and also some Poser figures in cowboy hats near the fire. That's what I thought of at first when I saw it. If you make the radial light surface visible you could even make a nice lens glare effect. Just some thoughts hope this is helpful to you.
FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 5:25 AM
Measure
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by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 5:26 AM
Turning off the sun didn't seem to have any effect whatsoever - in either image.
Message edited on: 05/02/2005 05:26
Measure
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FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 5:35 AM
Does anyone know where to get "Ashen.gif" I think it's called that. Only when I downloaded baument's fire it asked for an ashen.gif... or ashen01_37898776.gif or whatever and I dunno where it went, if I ever got it in the download. I just wondered 'cos then I might play with a dying fire....
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FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 5:49 AM
Measure
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FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 5:50 AM
I sort of think it does myself - it makes the fire look hotter. Can anyone see the face in the flames? Looks a bit evil to me... ggg
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Dann-O posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 7:54 AM
Turn the abience down on the big rock in the background. I see the face too. I must be drinking the sme stuff you do.
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shinyary2 posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 9:25 AM
Hmm sorry I wasn't a bit more clear I didn't mean turn off shadows for the logs, just for the fire because then the fire itself would cast shadows, and that would be a "no-no" (since fire's a gasish thing and doesn't really cast shadows). Looks much better with the shadows on for the logs though =P I think that the light should be bigger. You might consider using multiple lights at different positions within the fire, then toning down the intensity of specific lights; this would cause the glare from the lights to mimic the shape of the flame. Also you should put mesas in the background. They are easy to make, just use raise/lower dial in the terrain editor and raise the terrain until the middle is full white. Good luck!
ddaydreams posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 9:48 AM
I see the face, looks evil to me to. Faces and plants and animals often popup in fractal and procedral textures. Combining math with human perception is weird and wonderful. You might want to put some faint orange light on the closest cacti and then assuming no moon darken the left hill so it's just siluette.
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FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 1:35 PM
ddaydreams, I'm having trouble getting that faint orange light on that cacti. shinyary2, As for mesas - maybe it's Australia... are there any mesas in Australia? " Hmm sorry I wasn't a bit more clear I didn't mean turn off shadows for the logs," Oh, I didn't touch the logs, I was talking about the fire, do you suggest turning off Cast, Receive or Self? "I think that the light should be bigger. You might consider using multiple lights at different positions within the fire, then toning down the intensity of specific lights; this would cause the glare from the lights to mimic the shape of the flame." Hmmm, I'll have a go at that...
Measure
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FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 1:41 PM
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
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FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 2:15 PM
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 2:18 PM
Measure
your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)
shinyary2 posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 2:23 PM
My suggestion (on getting rid of the lines) would be to smooth them over in postwork... it's a messup that Bryce has, particularly with volumetric textures... LOL not sure if there are mesas in Australia (probably not). Personally, though, I avoid using the traditional Ambience features of Bryce. If you do use them, I would suggest setting the lower Ambience channel (the one labeled "Value"). This of course gives you detail in the shadows, as opposed to a solid color, which looks unrealistic IMHO. Of course the ideal situation is to do a Premium render and turn on True Ambience, along with soft shadows and any other options you care to have, but this only works properly if you have several days to spend rendering, especially with the volumetric fire! =P On the shadows: Yep, that's what I meant... you're right it looks much much better with shadows enabled. Uh... no comment. =P Good luck IMHO this looks roughly 300% better than it did at first! Oh, yeah, and sorry about the length of this, I talk too much =P
shinyary2 posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 2:27 PM
BTW (help! I can't shut up!!) I think that the lines are caused by intersections of the volume textures. Since you can see through the fire texture, and Bryce doesn't let you put two volume textures in the same "space". This means that you can see a "hole" where both object intersect. Correct me if I'm wrong (although I know this occurs, it just might not be the cause of your lines), and if ANYBODY has a good way to correct without postwork, I will have died and gone to heaven. Okay, I'm done. Really!
FranOnTheEdge posted Mon, 02 May 2005 at 6:57 PM
I can't correct you - I have no idea if you're right or not, I know a lot less than you seem to about this stuff. Just keep posting!
Measure
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by the shade it casts.
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