Have you visited 3dxtract yet? Have you downloaded one of the magazines? Check it out if you haven't. Its support for Carrara and Amapi. Over 2000 members and counting have joined the forums. Sign-up takes only a minute or two. There is a benchmark thread up: http://www.3dxtract.com/cfforum/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=8&Topic=96 As well as a thread on my candleman project going: http://www.3dxtract.com/cfforum/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=8&Topic=96 Please stop on by, registration is free, and we all know that we'd like to kill the yahoo list, and this is what we are trying to replace it with. Cheers, Brian