okay....i never had trouble getting old vicki 1 and vicki 2's eyes to work right in bryce. but, this new vicki has some new eye geometries that i think are giving me grief, and washing out my eye colors. i much prefer using bryce as a render engine to anything else i have....especially the deficient poser renderer....but, but, but....this is what is happening with renders with my v3. the top row of renders are in bryce. bottom poser...same character, same textures, very similar poses. could any of you smack me with a clue fairy, and, tell me how to get her eyes to show the color on the texture maps? bribe....i'll dedicate a render in the poser gallery to you, and you can tell all your friends...lol. poppi :I