not buying it, because: 1. i generally don't render in poser, anyway. 2. i have overcome my poser addiction with a rhino addiction. 3. i only p4, lately, to set up little characters and stuffies i've been working on. 4. it has failed to really impress me. i hear about all the wonderful "new" features....but, am not getting visuals of say the facemorph room, collision proof clothing...and, an updated dork and posette just aren't worth the money to me. 5. if it does impress me when renders hit the gallery...i will still wait for the bugs to be fixed.