jval... very very nice... I'm going to have to download drawloop. Edge Loop and Edge Ring are very useful... sounds like Draw Loop will help round things out nicely. I think Wings3D is amazing at what it does. You can do rapid prototypes in a very easy/native interface. You can keep going and create some really wonderful work. For me, I tend to use it for the rapid prototyping/3D sketching. , fgeorge