laws don't have morals Phantast. Never did. Maybe it would be better if they did but they don't. What is useful to us we use. What we doesn't pertain to us we don't use. Everyone has their ways of doing things. Dendras does buisness his way, you do buisness yours and we do buisness our way. We don't and won't copy anyone while doing buisness. I Hapen to prefer EULA's rather than a copyright declaration. Because as you have said it's redundant. but since it seems people want a mile of paperwork in each item.. might as well eh? We are in the process of redoing our license and EULA thanks to this discussion.