Well, as long as we're going for logic... When kupa posted the preview of P5 in his now well-known "California Dreamin'" thread recently, it was obvious that P5 was going to offer pretty much everything in the Pro Pack (except maybe hosting in high end packeges?), along with a slew of new and very cool features. Not too long after, kupa posted a message about tiered upgrade prices in which he stated that you would still be well off buying the Pro Pack. What should the reader have deduce from these messages? It seems that the logical deductions should be: 1. CL cannot realistically set an upgrade price that makes everyone who bought Pro Pack believe (and justifiably so) that they were played for suckers. 2. If P5 has more and better features than Pro Pack, one might expect that the upgrade price could be more than price CL set for Pro Pack...unless you bought Pro Pack already. Of course, I would be glad to be wrong, with a p4->p5 path of roughly $150. That's the rough price of an Adobe upgrade, but I have to recognize that Adobe extracts upgrade prices more than once every 3 years for more incremental upgrades in features. A $549 MSRP does seem a bit stiff when compared against Hash's Animation Master, but IMHO, you are getting prefab content that you don't get with that package. $549 is a price point roughly comparable to TrueSpace. You get much more with TS in the way of modelling, but I don't know how much of the Poser Community does a significant amount of modelling...it doesn't seem like a major feature, based on what I've seen here. TS6 moves more toward character animation, but P5+Mimic would seem to be a superior combo for about $100 more. And it may well be that the P5 renderer will be superior also. But I digress; my main point was to distill what a lot of posts have sort of danced around, which is that the information made public prior to Monday should have suggested to everyone that P4->P5 was not going to be a $99 upgrade, because this would have alienated most everyone who bought Pro Pack.