Entropic wrote: "I'm pretty sure, from all I've seen, that Poser 5 will put Poser at the level of a PRODUCTION TOOL." Then they should have made two products, a Poser Lite, without most of Propack tools (such as bones) that are mostly of interest for producers, and a Poser Pro, with all the production tool. Poser Lite would have been in the TRUE Poser price tradition, costing some $350 with an upgrade path from P4 of about $100-120, and Poser Pro would have been fully in the mid price range, at about $600-700 new and $300 upgrade ($150-180 for ProPack users). THAT would have been more fair to ALL range of users, hobbyists and pros. But if you want my guess... I think that they more or less said to themselves "why do Lite and Pro versions, since we have no competition to take care of? Let's lower just a little the highest price for full package, set it at $550, and force everyone who wants to stay up-to-date, even the hobbyists, to purchase the full package. Everyone will buy the full prog anyway because they don't want to stay behind this technology jump". And wave goodbye to the Poser price tradition. Maybe I'm thinking bad, but it's known that to think bad it's a sin, but given the world we live in, most of the times, when you think bad, you happen to think correctly...