Just thought I'd mention one thing that no one seems to have gotten around to. I'm pretty sure, from all I've seen, that Poser 5 will put Poser at the level of a PRODUCTION TOOL. This is a distinction that must be made for a few reasons: 1. I paid over 550 bucks for Character Studio in 3ds max. This doesn't include the price of 3ds max, and Character Studio is actually inferior in its abilities to Poser 4! Poser 5 offers collision detection ( something I still can't do in 3ds max, regardless of how much I spend ). The only production elements I haven't heard word of from the press release are caustics and modeling tools, and at this point, I'm not gonna bet money that caustics won't be available. I'd hate to give Steve Cooper the chance to prove me wrong, yet again. ;) 2. Within the Poser Community, there is a huge segment of the populace that is extremely skilled, enough so to do this professionally. Because of Poser's reputation in the market, however, most of us feel that we're "hobbyists". This is bullshit. We're artists, and we deserve acknowledgement. I believe Poser 5 will make that leap possible for the entire community, so anyone who says Steve Cooper and CL don't support this community can kiss my patootie. ( I'm trying to watch my language => ) 3. $550 is less than most of us have spent on content alone for Poser 4. From the look of things, Poser 5 will make content easier for us to produce, and lead to more free stuff, better products in the market place, and a whole bunch of love and goodness, so do you all think we might give this a rest? Paul P.S.: On a side note, I highly doubt that CL is attempting to "gouge" anyone for massive profits. It might be worthwhile to consider how much this level of technology actually costs to develop. I can't imagine that Steve Cooper will be sitting on a golden throne laughing maniacally as he has his feet washed with 10,000 dollar bills. ( If I'm wrong, Steve, please invite me to visit... I like concubines and money. => )