Ryamka, and others OK with the Price... I do agree that it is evolving and is changing, but that does not mean you lose focus of your customers and your market. Yeah they added some fancy schmancy new rendering features, wow, motion blur, luminosity, reflection???? wow, most modern renderers have had these for years. Poser 4 should have had these items, but it's render engine is way to weak for serious use. I give the example of another ex MC program, Carrara2. This is the first version (much like Poser 5) that Eovia has had complete control of. But they gave equivalent features to what P5 is offering like Bones, Subdivision Surfaces, Photon Mapping, Golbal Illimunation, Caustics, Raydiosity, and many more improvments. However the price only raised $50. Most people did not squawk at all about this, it is very much justified. And the rendering engine in Carrara is simply stunning for a low end package. If Eovia can do it why can't Curious labs? A price hike was expeced but not 175%. Sorry but I do not think CL is making a smart decision with this. they are going to hurt there market share for sure, Which brings me to my last point, Poser has never been a tool for the majority of Professional animators and the like. It has been marketed more as a hobyist tool. Now they are trying to market it as a mid-range to highend package. Aint gonna happen, as most people are still going to think of it as a hobyists app. Look at the car maker Hyundai (sp?) they made really, really cheap cars. People bought them up, but they were no BMW. Now they are trying to market the new line of Hyundai cars and SUV's and compete with the Big boys like Toyota, Nissan and Honda. No way, people still see the peice of crap Hyundai excell and laugh! well these are my opionion and don't flame me becasue you disagree.... But thoughts on the matter of course are welcome... -PAGZone PS CL if you are reading this thread, you really need to give Poser 4 upgraders a Seriously insanley awesome price. Live up to the "Poser tradition" you keep blabbing about.