Actually Phantast, you have a point there. Sorry, I misunderstood your previous post. My apologies. In the case of pre-installed software, I agree with you. My point was, if you have pirated software on your puter, you can't just say "Oh, I guess my neighbor installed it when I wasn't looking" I'm no lawyer, but I believe copyright law has been built up over a long period of time, using precedents. EULAs? I have no idea what their legal status is. mac