Storm...i thank you. why? because you have clearly put all that daz has been double talking about. i will d/l your character...she's gorgeous...and, lol...even make a render with her...have not shipped up a render to this place since march....you have clarified alot, here. i will go about my modelling, as usual....i deleted so much, over this last daz stuff....so many hours...not to mention the hours spent, after work, learning how to model, and, then conform...and, finally just to uvmap and texture...then, that bit from daz...well, i basically gave up. i am so glad you posted this eula thread...i still have my models on my machine at work...yaayyyy!!!!! i still don't understand chad's daz double talk. i understand what you are saying. thanks, again. Poor, precious Poppi