Hi Gail, You word it very well..."I personally would not post models or materials I didn't make myself. Unless I got the author's permission of course. Most model authors specifically say do not redistribute.." and it was what I am trying to say. Guitta - please take note, its not good or nice to say that its from the Web. It is also very messy and difficult to try and find what you have downloaded and who the authors are. I have downloaded tons and till date I have never use a single one of them. But very soon I will...only those I personally feel that it is very "qualified". Gail, I have asked of BloodSong to help me out to upload a preset of the splash that I used to texture for the water splashing effect for the "Hungry Bass". I could not upload it because for Vue Free Stuff, it require a web site to be linked and I do not have one at the moment. He is also working on a tutorial for the "Hungry Bass". As for Bongo tutorial on converting Bryce stuff for Vue usage, I'll try and find it for you. It may be in the "3D Application" category before Vue own Forum was started...I am not sure. Bill