Bill, I remember the tutorial you were talking about, I can't find it tho. That was convert Bryce materials to Vue. Do you happen to recall where it is? I personally would not post models or materials I didn't make myself. Unless I got the author's permission of course. Most model authors specifically say do not redistribute, so I would err on the side of caution. I know I have a lot more .vob objects and a few mats I have thought of upleading, but I guess I just think no one would have a use for them. Most of them really aren't that great. But I'll go thru them again. Gail