no nance, the point is he didn't remove the files from here there is still a link to them, the original site is gone so chances are that he has forgotten about them, or his site has been deleted I'll try to e-mail him and see if I get a reply before re-posting his model, and if he ever does return and ask me to I'll remove his models instantly, I've got no desire to 'steal' his work or distribute it if he doesn't want, but they are good models, and I'm assuming he's got no problem with them being distributed because he originally posted them here SewerRat