Thanks, I've tried them, a real classic trenchcoat has bulk, ya hunch up in it to light a cigarette under a streetlamp and it makes a statement. It's probably also a bear to model. Everything out there is kinda Armani sleek. But thank you. I did find a fedora at 3D Commune and, I think several different cowboy hats might do in a pinch. And they're free. Emily