but i like wonky, Rick. look at the figure i've been predominantly mucking with this past year - trust me when i say Krystal is full of wonk, esp. in her mesh [she's all tris, can't accept any subdivision, and if you export her out as an OBJ and bring her back in to stick her own rig back into her, her mesh simply doesn't receive it well at all as there are some rotational and bending joint parametres that are bad in the original rig, at least in P10. but god do i love her wonk regardless... lol