randym77 posted at 8:33AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354639

qaz posted at 8:12AM Tue, 25 June 2019 - #4354503

An on line dating company did a study to show that men have a very high degree of agreement on what they consider attractive. If I dont think a woman is attractive, I can be pretty sure most other men will share my opinion. That's what the studies show. Google is your friend.

The studies you reference are extremely limited and flawed.

Years back, there were a couple of much-hyped studies that found that there was a universal ideal of beauty, that men found attractive. In particular, it found a particular ratio of bust to waist to hips was preferred over decades, even though the weight of the ideal woman changed drastically.

But when you looked closer, there were serious issues. One study used Playboy centerfolds. The other asked male American college students to pick the most attractive figure. Both Playbay readers and US college students tend to be white males, better off than average. This sample was not even typical of the U.S., let alone the world.

Further studies found that different ethnic groups and different countries do in fact have differing standards of beauty.

Apparently, your ideal is northern European. Which is fine...but do you really believe that men in Asia and Africa are sadly settling for ugly women, since Ulrikas are few and far between there? Or could it be that people in other countries look different precisely because the standards of beauty differ there?

See here for a concrete example of how beauty standards differ. It's one woman, Photoshopped to be beautiful in 18 different countries.

Victoria 4 is not particularly attractive out of the box. What made her popular was the huge amount of support she had, which made it possible to make her look the way individual users wanted her to look.

On line dating websites like OK Cupid have enormous data sets for their research. We are talking many tens of thousands. They know that the photo is the only metric for whether you pick someone, personality is worthless, and they know exactly who has been picked, and by how many. The members also include score ratings for each of the contacts, so we get a very precise idea what constitutes a 4 or a 7. They can even measure the outliers who do not have a high degree of correlation on observed attraction and suggest why that is. They are using normal people. They can take into account the variables such as age and race and measure how that affects their attractiveness to their own race and to other races.

So yes we also know how attractive people are to their own race, and also to how attractive they are to other races. Hint - If you are a man don't be asian. There isn't really any doubt. There is a VERY high correlation of agreement as to what people consider attractive, and we know what that is.

I suggest you do more research.

As far as V4 is concerned, she was by far the best rigged character at that time and she looked more human than V3 .It didn't take long for people to move to V4 and begin morphing her. If you look at default Genesis 8 and V4, they are very close with Genesis 8 a little more natural. The closer the default shape is to either of these 2 the easier to create morphs. That is a fact, and probably why so few people attempt to morph La Femme at all. At the end of the day, she is a piece of clay, so it is possible to get reasonable results,and indeed that is what I'm working on.