[i've] been using Poser since 2K1, think i've done less than a literal handful of male images as i've never really cared for M4... i can't pinpoint specifically what about him that i don't care for as i never really took the time to study him - he was only ever on my system for a hot minute in comparison to all the incarnations of Vicki i've had since V1...

Orion looks beautifully crafted, and far more natural, to my eyes, than M4.

as you're trying to kickstart interest again, consider me sufficiently kicked [heh]