To answer the original question, for my part I have come to the conclusion that it is. There are insinuations at the other forum that there is indeed a P12 in the works, but I can't see how a small brand new team who had to ramp up on a huge legacy code base can achieve what the original team failed to deliver over many years. I have my own views what went wrong (as does everyone here) and I am sad because I liked the program and community a lot. .

I have since spent a load of money on iClone and at DAZ. Nonsense about DAZ being "free" they are both successful and disliked because they are so good at extracting payments from their customers. I didn't like DS when I tried it years ago but I am quite surprised by it now. There are many things that annoyed me with Poser over the years (if you want examples: a library that sorts by type rather than subject, not keeping pose morphs and shape morphs rigidly separate, injection channels rather than dumping morphs in a certain place and then having them automatically available for all figures they apply to and more) and it turns out that lots of these are fixed in DS. Poser still has a lead in only a few areas, like the material room, which is still great in spite of some very bad design decisions in the last few releases. (All of this IMHO obviously)

iClone I am still learning. It is hard to get up to speed on a new tool.