RorrKonn: I got to thinking about your hand model then I got to thinking about the monsters then I got to thinking about your hand model and the monsters together. All of a sudden it hit me like a ton of bricks "I know what monsters to model after the orcs, goblins and trolls." I had to check first to see if anyone else had modeled these particular monsters. I checked cgsociety; nothin'. i checked turbosquid; nothin'. i checked sharecg; nothin'. I checked daz; nothin'. I checked here; nothin'. I checked smithmicro; nothin'. i checked hivewire; nothin'. So, i'm going to model these particular monsters after i model the orcs, goblins and trolls. if you don't mind, i will use your hand model when i model the leader of these particular monsters.