"we were shouted down by the cheerleaders and moderated into submission".

Yes, that seems to be the way of DAZ now.

All I have for birds is the songbird remix http://hivewire3d.com/songbird-remix.html . Nice for common birds but I'd like to have Ken Gilliland's bundles from hivewire. I could have used  http://hivewire3d.com/songbird-remix-seabirds-2.html? for that last piece and http://hivewire3d.com/songbird-remix-shorebirds-wading-birds.html would be nice for this swamp scene I'm working on now.

I'm also using lisa's cattails and a few other grasses for the swamp area, and carrara tress in the back ground, in the scene I am working now.

I've been a short, light, uneasy sleeper since I was a kid. Runs in the family. 6 hours is a great nights sleep for me. As a kid bed time was 9PM. If I go to bed at 9PM I'm up at 3AM. If I got up to play I was in trouble, so I layed in bed and read a lot as a kid. Got a nephew that is the same way, but he gets up at 3AM goes in the living room and turns on the TV.

Part of the reason I drank so much in my 20's was so I could go to and stay asleep for a while.