Yes. I believe that was my second banning

But I'll have to disagree, evidence shows DAZ does not learn from the past. DAZ just sees it as a failed attempt and trys again later, Hence $285 for the carrara .5 update. And as you can see it worked. So I have no doubt DAZ will try to, and probibly succeed this time, in charging for Studio. As I said, maybe not Studio5 standard, but defenetly studio5 pro. Of coarse if DAZ has any sence they wont. They will just have Studio 5 and a pro plugins pack, or 2. Maybe "artist" plugins and "pro" plugins. None the less DAZ is being run by pro marketers that could make a profit off a rabbit corpse.

When Studio 3 got the figure set up tools it stopped being a sales gimmick for me and finally became a usable tool. I used DS3 a lot, it was an integeral part of my carrara suport team  

Then we got Studio 4, with genesis it was a game changer. Then DAZ fumbeled the ball. I haven't used studio4 near as much as I did DS3. Since release I have seen no improvements in genesis or autofit, which was what made studio4 the game changer. Yes Studio 4 has gotten updates; for free, but I don't see where they have improved what I used studio for.

I used studio 4 for what wasn't in carrara for using genesis. Mostly the selectable uvmapping. Now I was quite happy when C8.5b got the update so DUF worked to get dynamic clothing sims from studio to carrara for staging. Problem is something happen to the optitex dynaimc sim and the dynamic clothing does not work nearly as well as it did in DS3. I think I was up to 24-28 trys and still nothing usable in the end.

I've come to the opinion DAZ no longer has developers on site and is now subcontracting out app development. Ether that or thier developmental staff is down to a bair minimum. Remember when DS3 was getting practically weekly updates? Yes, it was a PITA, but the development was quite dynamic. Things were getting done. That was a bit over 2 years ago and development has slowed to a painful crawl since, so slow as to give the impression there is no development, at all, going on.

It seems DAZ has turned to PAs to provide work arounds for the issues in autofit and genesis, then charging us for said work arounds. So why fix the issues when people will pay for a work around. Even the next step in genesis, one that fixes many of the issues with genesis, was done by a PA, not DAZ. There are morphs out now that are workarounds for the issues with autofit, and DAZ is charging you for them, rather then fixing autofit. There is no profit in fixing the issues, there is a profit in selling you the workarounds. See my tirade on the carraracafe about encouraging incompatence.

But this is moot for me at the moment. I didn't update carrara so I have no use for Studio 4; or the plugins I wanted for it, or genesis/G2F; so no need to buy anything for them. Not upgrading carrara has saved me far more money then just the cost of the upgrade.

Thanks for way over pricing the C8.5 update DAZ, you have saved me money I can spend elsewhere. As in Lisa is my favorite organics artest. I have a lot of lisa's botanicals, and want more, but she isn't at DAZ now. One of the things I see lacking in many pitures, and I usually add as details to an outdoor scene, is birds. Ken isn't with DAZ any more ether; and I want his shore birds pack. 

Hell if Stefan and Jack took thier content out of DAZ, I'd have little reason to shop there; at least for big ticket items. Seems most everything else at DAZ I might want is in the $3 bin.

And as much as I am in awe of Howies scenes, I can do that. In fact I have been contemplating building a setting/scene to see if maybe I actually could be a PA, I mean I have been at this long enough that my skill should be of that calibar; should be    .

What can I say. I'm an insomniac. In 5 days I managed to get a bit less then 20 hours of sleep; 16-18. Finally got a good solid 5 lastnight, so feeling good today.