manleystanley opened this issue on Aug 24, 2013 · 190 posts
booksbydavid posted Tue, 03 September 2013 at 10:12 AM
Quote - I almost posted impulsively yesterday on this thread, but decided I would give it a night's sleep to cool off and make sure I wasn't just spouting off in knee jerk reaction.
It's more than 24 hours now, I've cooled down, but I do still think something needs to be said.
Quote - No pushing around intended - you made a mistaken assertion (that your post was removed) and I corrected it. Even if we were willing to discuss specific actions in public rather than by email doing so at Renderosity would be an imposition on the site's hospitality so I don't think it appropriate for me to do so - I have, of course, no control over what you do.
Well, if all you had done was corrected a mistaken assertion, then that would be one thing. But you also added:
Quote - Beyond correcting your error, this isn't the venue for discussing moderation actions at the DAZ 3D forums - you have our email.
I'm sorry, but the title of this thread is "I can't PM or Email from DAZ", and the reason is that Manley stated he's been banned due to moderation actions at DAZ. This whole thread is about moderation at DAZ.
And yeah, whether you intended to or not, it came across as though a DAZ mod was high-handedly trying to push people around, both vaguely menacing and authoritarian, as if you had final say over what kinds of conversations are appropriate here. These are the Rendo forums, not the DAZ forums.
It would be as if someone showed up at my front door to confiscate my firearms because of the laws in New York, and I had to politely point out that "This is Utah, not New York. Where is the mentally capable adult who normally cares for you, and do they realize you've wandered off?"
It really bothers me that this happened. A mod should behave better, and this really lends credence to the assertions some have made that the daz forums are badly (and irrationally) moderated.
I don't believe Manley should have been banned. I don't believe Holly should ever have been blocked. Just using the two of them as an example, but neither of them is a troll, both of them have helped others and served as valuable members of the Carrara community, freely giving of their time and talents, and I have no doubt that their efforts have won DAZ many customers, people who have actually purchased Carrara simply because of the answers they received in the forums.
On the other hand, there actually is a troll that pops up from time to time in the Carrara forums, does his best to insult nearly everyone, claims he is 'just being honest' and that he 'doesn't care what others think', and that people who disagree or question him are 'too sensitive', 'unprofessional' etc - then immediately takes offense at any interaction (because of his incredibly fragile ego) and blows up, twisting peoples words and treating pretty much everyone nastily. I've watched this guy pop in and out of the Carrara forum over the years, and it's a fact that his tirades and blowups have chased off several of the best and most invaluable Carrara forum regular contributors, yet as far as I can tell the mods have never taken any action.
Direct and to the point. Well said and right on target.