I've been having that very problem in the material room...lol. That's where I really don't understand things ;o). "What exactly does this do?" "What does that do if I attach it to this?". In all honesty, I've been trying to get a grip on the material room for years so I guess that's why, when I got a moderately good result in the cloth room, I felt rather lucky ;o). It didn't seem near the obstacle that the material room does. If the shaders worked more like they do in Vue, I'd have had them down in no time...lol.

Now, let's not even talk about the hair room...

Laurie