Quote - I have tried turning V2 into a guy and I feel the same holds true for these images of Antonia...just falls short of "guy" in my opinion. The face and neck look more butch fem than man and especially the pectorals/Chest area, shoulders too narrow compared to hips and biceps too undefined.

I'm not sure I agree. I think Antonio makes for a quite believable older man, overall. There's certainly room for improvement, but I'm actually surprised how good he looks for a "quickie".

In fact I had the reverse problem when I originally made Antonia. It took me ages to get her to look female enough without turning her into a glorified cartoon character.

-- I'm not mad at you, just Westphalian.