o.k., thx fr the excellent examples, bill.  it's clear from the last two pages that users are eager to try these new features - indirect diffuse and possibly indirect specular.  render times are reasonable for hi-quality settings.  the part about the toon renders: IMVHO poser 7 already had good tools to do professional-quality cartoons, but users were intimidated by the shader set-ups needed, by the extra compositing step in APS (in some cases) and by some other small details.