whoa! I just noticed that 722 is using "bean" as avatar.  whilst I hated "bean", I loved blackadder.

but anyway, bill, the OS X.4/5/6 market share of some of these softwares is only around 10% (or less), hence why not hand off the OS X interface work to one of yer colleagues? no need to take out yer frustrations, however justifiable, on our hapless mac brethren.  I know the admins here treat ya with kid gloves because they value yer input, but it's not a licence to abuse IMVHO.