Cheers offered: "...I have also noticed that people have mentioned here that the Bryce renderer is better because it is 100% raytrace, ..." Whether we call it crisp, soft, grainy or whatever there is definitely a difference between the looks of Bryce and Vue renders. It is not that I think Bryce is a better renderer. In fact, I would give the edge to Vue for landscape work. But I am personally interested in abstract and somewhat surrealistic looking scenes. For such things I find the Bryce look more effective. It isn't a matter of realism. Both programs are excellent but still require improvement for neither yet produces results that will consistently be mistaken for a photograph. Mind you, when I want a photograph I use a camera so this is not a point that concerns me. I also believe that Vue is a 100% raytracer. However, it does use various forms of optimization and this likely affects the visual render result as well as speed. I do like the way that Bryce handles reflections but that is again a preference. In fact, Bryce does not do reflections the way they are done in the real world. These comparisons remind me of an old folk tale. It involved a contest wherein participants attempted to sound like a pig. A challenger to the local champion is booed offstage for his poor imitation- whereupon he immediately produces a piglet from underneath his jacket.