you sure that those meshes are only 65000? The "generic" ones for shrek were >800000..maybe thats supposed to be 650000? actually, you are right..the octo is a squid too (they have 10 arms not just 8) Im not sure that the konan's proggy makes you use poly reduction (not sure)... but I do think it should be an option (but bryce should offer the ability to polyreduce before importing) thats a neat little addition...I can guess what its doing to achieve that. Im sure that lotsa folks will like it. If your interested in seeing all the new critters Ive got up (except the latest 2..there are 17 now..15 shown) you can look at: http://www.brycetech.com/stufftodelete/models/models1.html and if you and konan want an interesting new model that you dont have, I might be willing to give you a one of the ones I'm doing so that you can try something new...and as a small "thank you" for doing this for brycers and poser-ers (?) A dragonfly (attached) and roach (under construction) are not pictured yet in the page above...poly info and file sizes are also included in the descriptions to help you decide should you really want one... the most solid models are the insects/spiders..the mantis might be fun..or perhaps the hairy spider? :P best BT