Quote -  ok  actually this seems to work fine on the ball in the examples but i'm still getting the 3d reflecting all the way down like i don't want.

Work your way down. He showed me an example of it on a floor.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi