sfdex I think your right about RayDream I haven't used it in such a long time I forgot about the modeling functions in it.

pauljs75 I use several apps myself, I guess my frustration is I am showing some people how to create thier own objects in Carrara but am fumbling around because I am use to the work flow in Modo, Lightwave or Truespace.

Im not complaining about C6 I purchased it for very little as well, would just like to see some of the core features modified for advanced users.