I hope daz can be persuaded to provide a leopard patch for c5, or else detailed instructions on how to deal with the issue, given eric's work in regard to carrara over the years. yes, I'm aware that the avatar to the left of this message is not particularly conducive to being taken seriously, but I did them a favour this week (should be on record at their site under my username (Miss Nancy); accessible to their admins) and perhaps they can also take that into consideration.