Thanks, both but I added a pretty complex shader to the render and I am really taxing my systems. One single "Sun" light and one spot. I turned interpolation off and things are crawling big time. I have a G5 dual 2.3 and a MacBook 2.0 dual core crunching at it at the time. I will probably let it render over night and see how things turn out. I am still using Carrara 5 Pro, any improvement on render times with Carrara 6? Is the upgrade worth it? I am pondering whether to get it nor not.