Yes Rich, thanks again. Here's my first thing I made with it and rendered in Vue-- (Of course!) This is my first attempt at making this pic I would like to do, and the "star" was made with the new Rod and Tube Factory, and has Vue procedural materials applied to it. No post work on this,but I imagine that with Painter I could get it to look a little more like what I want. Certainly not R&T's fault, but seemingly my inability to get Vue to make those soft edges I would like the star to have. Looking forward to Vue 4! Cheers, Mike