I went for it Brian. There is a load to learn with the shorstring shaders - my first fav is the drip - I work with the water animals so much that I want to animate raindrops and splashes - Have you been able to get the Super Mixer to work? I've downloaded the example files and looked at the shader channels, he just uses Add in the bump channel to add in the drips - should be able to use Super Mixer to add many, but Carrara freezes up when I try the Super Mixer. Running - OSX4.10 Carrara6Pro The tutorials ( sample files ) alone are worth the money to me to see how he did the water movement. I wish people would post more "files" online so we could share by disecting the file itself, that is how I learn best. Thanks for the tips, Robert

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