**bagginsbill i think I can't really explain to you what is my point, this make not sense, you said things above that are not my facts.. I told you already I have not problems with words seeing from the inside correct I uploaded yesterday here last renders but you are blind and  dont see it
did my NY panorama show wrong ? go above and check onces again... 
You have good point here as well, but that is not what I am talking about...

so tomorrow I am going to make some shots for all of us so everything can load into poser the scene click render and see what I am talking about .. this would be the best thing to do so we don;t waste our time on this no more..

there are more things to do as only balls with hdr..
I really don't wanna make here any wars with you so pls keep your personal opinions about others for yourself and talk about art mat and poser b/c pplw will get even more scary to post a word here... and you or me or anybody else will have nobody to talk to no more...
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