You beat me to the punch, Mendhi. I have Saluda, and was quite pleased. If you need a Vicky with genetalia, I think she works wonderful. I bought her for that reason because I needed them for a brocure I was doing for (no shit) a gynocologist. As a woman myself, I am quite fond of our little genetalia. But I understand that Daz doesn't want to add them, and that is their choice. My need for genetalia is restricted, so it is not a giant concern of mine. Vicky2 has come along with giving the illusion of them. I don't know if anyone saw the Seven of Clubs I did for the playing card project. But with just straight Vicky2, unintentially also, I might add, from the back shot it looks very much like vicky has some 'lips' showing down there. If you want Vicky to have genitals, I really recommend Saluda. If you don't, then lets just take the stock Vicky, and everyone can be happy. To each their own is what I say. I am just tired of hearing people complain that we shouldn't have genitals because there is no valid use for them except for porn. Heck, even if that is what someone wants it for, isn't that their choice anyway? I don't do much work with nudity. But that is only because I have a two and a half year old that sits beside me when Mommy works most of the time. But I have no problem with it at all. And one day when my son is a little older, I will not be so worried about it. But now he thinks all of those women on Mommys computer are her (pretty complimentary, I guess ;) so I refrain. The nude body is a beautiful thing. Both male and female. There should be no reason that you shouldn't use an anotomically correct model in 3D if you want. Don't we use anotomically correct people in traditional art work. I know I have. We have choices. Don't condescend others if they make a choice you don't agree with. Daz doesn't have to provide us with genitals. I don't see a need why they should. For those who don't want them, Vicky is just fine. But for those of us who do, there are alot of wonderful people out there who have provided them for us.