I think Corel should take the lid off of some of what Bryce 5 will have. I use both Bryce and Vue d'Esprit, and I have been debating on if I can afford to, or bettter yet even wish to continue using both products. I have been using Bryce since it was released in the Windows format. You all remember the one that didn't work right. I was one of those that stuck it out and waited for Metacreation's to send me the functional version of the program. I started using Vue when Ver. 3.1 came out. Both programs have their strong points, but I find Vue a little easier to use. I will say that my exposure to Bryce assited in this. Now E-onsoftware has released the new version Vue 4.0 feature list, and it is very impressive. I am one of those that feel Bryce 4 was not really a full version increase over Bryce 3D. Outside of the new sky editor there really wasn't really anything to shout about. I felt taken by Metacreation at that point, and that is part of why I am somewhat wary about the lack of details on what Bryce 5 will have. Come on Corel give a preview of what you are working on. The release of Vue 4.0 is in Mid June. I will more than likely upgrade from Version 3.1 to 4.0, unless I have some reason to hold off. If Bryce 5 is another half assed upgrade like Bryce 4, I'll just hang on to my money when it is released. I don't wish to sound so negative. Bryce has been a joy to use. It has allowed me create things that I never would have dreamed possible. It just that I can't understand the lack of information on what this new version will do. If it's going to be so great, one would think that Corel would be sounding off about it. E-onsoft was releasing tid bits to keep their loyal users interested. Bryce has always been the leader for those of us that desired a nice 3D Raytracing program, but didn't want to go broke purchasing it. I am begining to wonder if Vue d'Esprit will take the lead now in this area. I hope I am wrong, but since no one is talking, only time will tell.