Hi Discoseven, Alpha planes and refraction do not play well together. The only work-around I can suggest is to exaggerate the reflection and transparency behaviours using some extra shading tools like DCG's Fake Fresnel (in Shader Ops) or Shoestring Shaders Easy Fresnel (part of the whole SS packge). The image above uses no refraction, just Easy Fresnel in the reflection and transparency channels. Sometimes we just have to lead the viewers eyes to look at other things... ;) Mark