good morning, just came back on board. my animation got rudely inturrupted last night, either by some glitch poser bailout or possibly a auto-reboot by "Bill" after an upgrade. The first 8 frames had issues anyway. So, I'm checking in here and see several responses -- gratitude to all -- and a major injection from bb. I've built a set with "The Pad", enganged HDRI "Albany Night" lighting, put the daffodils and diamond on a glass table, engaged the fresnel on specular, with specular setting of 2.0 intensity and highlight size .3, downloaded BB's pattern above and put it on the refract. The render seen here took only 163 seconds, with non-agressive pixel samples and min shade rate. Thanks for your insights Mr. Baggins! Will experiment some more and then execute an animation. More later.... ::::: Opera :::::