Five minutes and 33 seconds. Here is a final one. I couldnt fix the spoon, or the pot. I put a new pot in, obviously. I did clean up a couple of things. Same settings as before. I am using a value of 256 in the glow channel of the plane on the left side. I tried it with Anything Glows, but couldnt get a real clean render without artifacts with these settings. Seems the glow works better for this scene. In my other tests I found the same thing to be true. Donnie