You have to admit nomuse, that the light was/is necessary, judging from the 1st pic of that character... I really wish I didnt have to use lights, its a serious arbitration from the goal of hdri, changes the "look" dramatically...

Actually, I "found out" that the lighting culprit is indeed the actual image of the hdri. If you look closely, you can see the image reflected off the sphere. Its as tho its an "unfinished clip", and even at the top of it it seems to have been "cut off"... I did go around and download about 100 or so hdri, LOL, but that will take time to go thru them all. Still, the lighting from the hdri is only coming from 1 direction (it seems? from the top right going in that direction (down to bottom left?)) and not going all around...

More to come... I know were cramming alot of info in this 1 little thread, I couldnt expect to cover all the ground, but guys, Ive come a long way in such a short period of time, thanks for all the help :)

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