OK, thanks. I'm almost 50, same deal as you, started in 2001, first time when I touched a computer. It's just Carrara I'm new to. Upgrades not included, true, I wasn't thinking. With the jump in numbers, I thought I might have missed something. Thanks again, will have some questions another time. Right now I'll head to the back room and check out some beginner tuts. I went Carrara/Hex way because of how simular it is to Poser, Shade and Wings.