Sorry I misread you. I am truly tired of the "Make Art" button crowd, and this sounded like a variant of that complaint. I work with people who think owning MSWord makes them writers, owning Framemaker makes them book designers, and owning Photoshop makes them artists. They regard the idea of actually learning how to use the software beneath them, and as a rule, I end up fixing their ouwees because they are too lazy to learn how the tools work. My comment was spillover. If you don't have Poser 6 SR2, you should get that. The interface was flaky, notably from memory leaks, in the first release. That may account for your lost eyeball. M