Hi all, you are very helpful as always. Vue5 has some nice water shaders and I was always amazed about the realistic water in Terragen. When I purchased Carrara 5 Pro some weeks ago, I was amazed about the great terrain shaders and the variation there. Compared to that the examples of water shaders are only few. I would like to see examples for a rough sea, tropical water and so on. Hoped that someone already played around a bit and made his presets available for inspiration. In case of a deep blue sea or a high reflective surface the terrain below the water is not visible. I agree though that the lighting and atmosphere has a strong influence on the final appearence. Another question: What about displacement mapping for generating real waves in a rough sea? Or is it better to do this with a terrain? I also would love to see a hint, how to make surf on a beach. I think I didn't even see more than 10% of Carrara's potential yet. We just have to investigate them further and share our knowledge. I plan to do so on my homepage. By the way, the tutorial of Johannes Rosenberg is fantastic, although it is for Carrara 4. It already helped me a lot to understand terran generation and shading. Thanks to all - Walter