The shaders at des-web look really cool. And I agree that Multi-pass manager and MultiPass Control looks as if they could be brought into play as skin shader contributors. " alot of the lighting and texture in poser doesn't look accurate " If by that you mean "there are a lot of images in the Poser galleries with poor texture and lighting" then I get it. Granted. But that is no reflection on Poser. If, however, you mean Poser is intrisically unable to create realistic skin and shadows and hair -- which seems to be the meaning of your sentence "I don't find poser's rendering bad, but it is not realistic to me" -- then you may have not yet learned how to do it. If you HAVE learned to produce highly realistic hair/skin/shadows in closeups in Carrara, please help us poor Poser refugees (we are chasing Carrara for speed and other goodies that are obviously superior) see them and keep passing on links to tools that make it happen. However, I am in a quest from the opposite direction. I am still looking for Carrara renders of tight closeups that equal the brilliance of an advanced Poser render for realism in hair, shadow and skin. The only one I've seen so far is a non-close up of Miki imported in with no hair and excellent GI, which is found here in the Rendo galleries by searching on Carrara+Realism. The tutorial linked in Post9 above indicates a direction; "Go down this road to achieve skin realism in Carrara." The results based on that one image at the bottom, however, do not approach Poser state of the art. Doubtless they could be taken further. For instance, there is SSS in Carrara, no? Where are samples of finished renders that blow your socks off with it? In galleries, if you search Poser + Realism, you will get 136 PAGES of images. Many are dreck. Many are really fine. A few examples (i tried to find ones that said no postwork): http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1147212&Start=1&Artist=Shahara&ByArtist=Yes http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1068240&Start=325&Sectionid=1&filter_genre_id=25&WhatsNew=Yes http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=845189&Start=19&Artist=Shahara&ByArtist=Yes http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1143396&Start=37&Sectionid=1&filter_genre_id=25&WhatsNew=Yes http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1093231&Start=217&Sectionid=1&filter_genre_id=25&WhatsNew=Yes http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=1091448&Start=235&Sectionid=1&filter_genre_id=25&WhatsNew=Yes That last one is by "FS", someone obsessed with Poser and realism. ::::: Opera :::::