Ok. I must be doing something VERY wrong here, because I can't get anywhere near the level of realism being done by some of you in under 5 minutes. I'm using Poser 6, but even using Carrara, it still takes well over 5 minutes to get it looking good at that frame size. The render in post 40 looks absolutely amazing. I think it would be very hard to beat that kind of realism in under 5 minutes. The hair style in that post reminds me of Koz Messy, which is a prop hair by Kozaburo for Poser. Operaguy, I must applaud you. Your efforts have been the best I've seen done in Poser in that amount of time, but the shadows seem much richer and more realistic in the 3dsmax and Maya renders posted so far. I would also like to see a closeup of the maya hair. Great job by everyone so far! Great threaad.