anxcon, i did not fully give up on Carrara, nor have I not decided to move into Messiah or 3DSMax, both of which I am very serious about. I just gave Carrara a quick look-see to check if I could hit a triple down into the corner on the first pitch. No such luck. I still have room in Poser to find productivity, such as staying in realism but getting my times down with other tricks. Maxx: "How do you feel about the rendertime? I think it's slightly extensive, but you're getting impressive quality there." Well, here i/we are, on the cusp. At some point you have to look at the tradeoff-line between realism and rendertime. There is still room to bring down render time with good realism. I am persisting. My issue is, I love closeups, human subtle movements, strand hair that moves, skin realism and fantastic shadows. These are NOT conducive to low render times. Honestly, sometimes I just want to "go toon" or "go sketch" and end it all! [but not really] ::::: Opera :::::